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I had never been able to scoop cargo despite many hour of trying.
Answer: fly a Viper. I have also made it work with a Cobra Mk
1. I
cannot make it work with an Eagle Long Range Fighter.
Not only can I scoop cargo, when I try to jettison stuff, I scoop it up
again automatically!
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In article <AunsKDBkY8TCFwpb@sandj.demon.co.uk>, Simon Reed
<SpamMail@sandj.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <aUXm7rG2JwRCFwYE@jaj22.demon.co.uk>, John Jordan
><john@jaj22.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>I just fired up FE2 to test this, and it's not that hard to
pick up
>>cargo. However, unlike FFE where you just need to get within
0.05km or
>>so, FE2 has a positional requirement. It seems to work best
with the
>>canister a little below the visible region, much like original
Elite.
>
>Flying what kind of ship?
That was a Viper. I don't have any Frontier saves, so I just picked the
Lave
start, bought a Viper, 1MW beam, scoop & conversion, hyperspaced to
Leesti and
killed a couple of ships.
I would be surprised if the "scoop angle" was different between ships.
Large ships
may collide before scoop range, but no small ship should have any
trouble.
Save game: http://jaj22.org.uk/JAMESON._02
This is only a few seconds before scoop range, on a collision path.
Leave the
controls alone and the canister will hit you. Tilt the nose up a bit
and you'll
scoop it instead.
>I would like to opportunity to fly a ship that has
>just scooped cargo to find out what is different: is it really that
I'm
>crap at this one activity in this one version of this one game?
I assume you don't have any trouble picking up cargo in FFE then?
--
John Jordan
--
* Simon Reed <SpamMail@sandj.demon.co.uk>:
>> Use engines-off mode, forward-thrust in front of the target,
>> reverse-thrust behind it. Keep the closing speed slow. Note
>> that larger ships may collide with canister before reaching
>> scoop range.
What I do is select the canister, engage autopilot and let it take me
to ~0.8 km
from the cargo (sometimes use stardreamer x2 for this). Then I
switch to manual
control and increase set speed a little, adjusting direction so the
cargo drifts
just below my field of view. Works for me.
> A request to anybody: indulge me. Load up your PC version of
> Frontier:Elite II and an old saved game and actually scoop some
> cargo. Then either save the game and email it to me or put on
> a site where I can download it.
Just installed DOSbox under Win2000 Pro so I can try this for
you. I set my
preferences, then started at Lave and kitted out a Viper for
scooping. One jump
later I was attacked, I killed the pirate (Krait), then scooped what I
guess was
his debris (metal alloys). Here's the game, saved as quickly as I
could tap Esc:
http://www.preater.com/apps/elite/JAMESON._02
> I am fairly sure there are some people out there saying "I
> remember it's tricky and so you're just useless" who have never
> done it either.
Apart from doing it _right now_, I used to do it quite often when I
played
Frontier regularly. I didn't find it difficult, but there is a
bit of a knack to
it (see above). Scooping cargo for finacial gain usually isn't
worth the time it
takes, but it's fun to scoop some pirate's ill-gotten gains and sell
them on. :)
--
Andrew Preater
Linux user #238547
--
In article <slrnd4vv8p.1p2.preater@preater.com>, Andrew Preater
<preater@deadspam.com> writes
>* Simon Reed <SpamMail@sandj.demon.co.uk>:
>> A request to anybody: indulge me. Load up your PC
version of
>> Frontier:Elite II and an old saved game and actually scoop some
>> cargo.
>
>Here's the game, saved as quickly as I could tap Esc:
>http://www.preater.com/apps/elite/JAMESON._02
Thank you to you and to John Jordan.
I was up until gone 1 a.m. this morning playing.
I loaded both games. Yep. I *can* now scoop cargo. So
it can be done in
Frontier:Elite II
Both of you were using Vipers.
I managed to reproduce the ability for myself in a Viper. I
couldn't believe how
easy it was! Razzle-bleeding-frazzle! At one point I
hyperspaced into a system
and tried dumping radioactives and rubbish - and merely kept scooping
it up
again!!!
I started the game again and reproduced it in a Cobra Mk 1 too.
So, it is not just big ships that can't scoop. The Eagle Long
Range Fighter can't
either. So some can and some can't. It's not because I'm an
incompetent spangle.
So I'm starting to put together a web page showing how to do just this
one
activity - give me a few days.
Once again: thank you Andrew Preater and thank you John Jordan.
You have made
this game fun for me again.
I'm off for a spot of piracy - and another bleary-eyed day in work!
Now then - what was the original question?
--
Simon Reed, simon<at>sandj.demon.co.uk
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Subject: Re: How to pick up cargo?
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In article <AunsKDBkY8TCFwpb@sandj.demon.co.uk>, Simon Reed
<SpamMail@sandj.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <aUXm7rG2JwRCFwYE@jaj22.demon.co.uk>, John Jordan
><john@jaj22.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>I just fired up FE2 to test this, and it's not that hard to
pick up
>>cargo. However, unlike FFE where you just need to get within
0.05km or
>>so, FE2 has a positional requirement. It seems to work best
with the
>>canister a little below the visible region, much like original
Elite.
>
>Flying what kind of ship?
That was a Viper. I don't have any Frontier saves, so I just picked the
Lave start, bought a Viper, 1MW beam, scoop & conversion,
hyperspaced to
Leesti and killed a couple of ships.
I would be surprised if the "scoop angle" was different between ships.
Large ships may collide before scoop range, but no small ship should
have any trouble.
Save game: http://jaj22.org.uk/JAMESON._02
This is only a few seconds before scoop range, on a collision path.
Leave the controls alone and the canister will hit you. Tilt the nose up
a bit and you'll scoop it instead.
>I would like to opportunity to fly a ship that has
>just scooped cargo to find out what is different: is it really that
I'm
>crap at this one activity in this one version of this one game?
I assume you don't have any trouble picking up cargo in FFE then?
--
John Jordan
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* Simon Reed <SpamMail@sandj.demon.co.uk>:
>> Use engines-off mode, forward-thrust in front of the target,
>> reverse-thrust behind it. Keep the closing speed slow. Note
>> that larger ships may collide with canister before reaching
>> scoop range.
What I do is select the canister, engage autopilot and let it
take me to ~0.8 km from the cargo (sometimes use stardreamer x2
for this). Then I switch to manual control and increase set
speed a little, adjusting direction so the cargo drifts just
below my field of view. Works for me.
> A request to anybody: indulge me. Load up your PC version of
> Frontier:Elite II and an old saved game and actually scoop some
> cargo. Then either save the game and email it to me or put on
> a site where I can download it.
Just installed DOSbox under Win2000 Pro so I can try this for
you. I set my preferences, then started at Lave and kitted out a
Viper for scooping. One jump later I was attacked, I killed the
pirate (Krait), then scooped what I guess was his debris (metal
alloys). Here's the game, saved as quickly as I could tap Esc:
http://www.preater.com/apps/elite/JAMESON._02
> I am fairly sure there are some people out there saying "I
> remember it's tricky and so you're just useless" who have never
> done it either.
Apart from doing it _right now_, I used to do it quite often when
I played Frontier regularly. I didn't find it difficult, but
there is a bit of a knack to it (see above). Scooping cargo for
finacial gain usually isn't worth the time it takes, but it's fun
to scoop some pirate's ill-gotten gains and sell them on. :)
--
Andrew Preater
Linux user #238547
Saved file 1: CARGO1._02
Saved file 2: CARGO2._02
Saved file 3: MARS._48